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Pokemon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Conjectures' started by Keileon, Jun 6, 2017.

  1. Pokemon Direct just aired, we got three things announced.

    Pokken Tournament DX,
    Gold and Silver on the VC,
    and Pokemon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon.

    November 17, 2017

    - New Solgaleo/Lunaala forms, merged with Necrozma it seems
    - "Offers an alternate story [...] Featuring Pokemon that didn't appear in the original versions of Sun and Moon"
    -"New features"
    - New Z-Crystal, apparently in the manga

    - Possible SUBTLE DP hints, looking into it now


    Generation 4 is not there.

    #1 Keileon, Jun 6, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 6, 2017
  2. Kicking off the thread proper with Discord's speculation and realizations.

    [9:08 AM] Keileon : BUT YO THAT REVEAL
    [9:08 AM] Keileon : I'm watching Rowlit's stream
    [9:09 AM] Keileon : The disappointment with Pokken DX, and then suddenly everyone realized there were 3DS game boxes
    [9:09 AM] Keileon : WAIT
    [9:09 AM] Keileon : HE SAW NECROZMA IN THERE
    [9:09 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: Serebii posted an embedded video on his site, and I was watching on there
    [9:09 AM] Muddy: yeah, necrozma was predominantly in it
    [9:11 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: My thought on Pokken DX was "Okay, at least they've started on Switch."
    [9:11 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: And then UltraSun and UltraMoon happened
    [9:19 AM] Muddy: "Isn't his ability Prism Armor. It was right in front of us all along."
    [9:19 AM] Muddy: lolwow
    [9:23 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: "Hey Kyurem, I'm like you now!" "Goddamnit..."
    [9:24 AM] Muddy: wow, they hate DP so much that they didn't even bother
    [9:24 AM] Keileon : lol
    [9:25 AM] Keileon : Emerald, BW2, Crystal etc isn't there, but the fact that DP isn't?
    [9:27 AM] Keileon : ROWLIT'S STREAM RIGHT NOW
    [9:28 AM] Keileon : ... ALSO GUYS
    [9:28 AM] Keileon : Necrozma fusing with Solgaleo/Lunaala...
    [9:28 AM] Keileon : ... The dragon fusing with the lion and bat...
    [9:28 AM] Muddy: Oh right, that would explain Colress after all
    [9:29 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: Everything's started up again XD
    [9:29 AM] Keileon : IT ALL COMES TOGETHER
    [9:29 AM] Keileon : LITERALLY THIS TIME
    [9:29 AM] Nate: Oh god
    [9:30 AM] Keileon : Good lord I can't wait to hear what Lockstin says
    [9:30 AM] Nate: iT aLl CoMeS tOgEtHeR
    [9:30 AM] Keileon : Part 5 anyone?
    [9:30 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: Good god, what the hell is this gen even
    [9:31 AM] Keileon : It's amazing, that's what it is
    [9:31 AM] Nate: I half expect it to be like. The video titled "It all comes together" with clips of the fusions and just him screeching over it.
    [9:32 AM] Keileon : LOL
    [9:33 AM] Keileon : ... Guys, look at the Sun logo
    [9:33 AM] Keileon : I'm pretty sure it's based on an alchemic symbol. I'll have to look for it again.
    [9:34 AM] Keileon : ... They're suggesting Marshadow is the thing inside Mimikyu, wat?
    [9:34 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: That... I don't know...
    [9:34 AM] Keileon : Masuda had "all alolan pokemon plus Johto starters, Ho-oh, and Lugia" behind him apparently
    [9:35 AM] Keileon : "Johto Alolan forms" [9:35 AM] Keileon : "Plottwist: Alola is Orange Islands"
    [9:35 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: Really, we could use more Alola Forms in general
    [9:36 AM] Keileon : AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
    [9:36 AM] Keileon : GUYS
    [9:36 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: And honestly worse case scenario in terms of Pokemon in Alola, we just get another Pokedex expansion
    [9:36 AM] Keileon : SOMEONE JUST POINTED OUT
    [9:36 AM] Keileon : THE LOGOS
    [9:37 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: Which could get us new Alola Forms
    [9:37 AM] Keileon : LOOK LIKE ARCEUS'S RINGS
    [9:37 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: ... They kinda do... .__.
    [9:38 AM] Keileon : Apparently unused walking animations were datamined from SM, hmm
    [9:42 AM] Keileon : This is BW all over again I love it
    [9:42 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: Yea-
    [9:42 AM] Keileon : I might go Ultra Sun this time [9:42 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: Actually shoot, that explains a lot!
    [9:44 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: .... WAIT WHAT?!
    [9:44 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: "Edit @ 15:40: It is currently noted that The Pokémon Company International's press site is listing Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon as being on the Nintendo Switch with a "To Be Announced" date. It's currently unclear if this means they will come out on Nintendo Switch in the end but we'll provide all details as and when they come. They have since deleted this note."
    [9:47 AM] Muddy: Hmmmmm
    [9:47 AM] Keileon : People on the Rowlit stream were saying both
    [9:47 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: I'm getting either typo or "Guys, you weren't supposed to reveal that!" "Oh damnit!"
    [9:48 AM] Muddy: That would explain the out of place pre rendered scene in the teaser trailer
  3. More chat speculation and some things getting pointed out

    [10:55 AM] Flem: Legendary fusion is so two gens ago.
    [10:59 AM] Keileon : I just had a thought
    [10:59 AM] Keileon : What if it isn't fusion?
    [10:59 AM] Keileon : Hear me out-
    [11:00 AM] Flem: Also the trailer was like 80% pokken which is sort of hilarious in terms of priorities
    [11:00 AM] Keileon : Necrozma is based on a prism and crystals. Crystals can form and grow, given proper conditions. Solgaleo and Lunaala have Necrozma's parts in weird places and it looks less like they're fused with Necrozma and more like a Necrozma is forming on them.(edited)
    [11:00 AM] Flem: But then again I've wanted to play pokken but never wanted to get a Wii u
    [11:02 AM] Flem: I would still file that under fusion at the end of the day
    [11:02 AM] Keileon : I mean maybe, but not fusion in the sense of Kyurem
    [11:02 AM] Muddy: I wonder how Ghost Bird will play in Pokken
    [11:03 AM] Flem: But I do hope this "alternate story" will go more into the aliens and their world
    [11:03 AM] Lord X-Giga-X: Same

    11:07 AM] Keileon : I'd like to point out
    [11:07 AM] Keileon : That the crystals on Solgaleo's paws and Lunaala's wings are the same shape as Z-Crystals
    [11:09 AM] Keileon : Wait
    [11:09 AM] Keileon : WAIT
    [11:09 AM] Keileon : THAT'S GLADION'S Z-RING DESIGN?
    [11:09 AM] Flem: I think necrozma being related to z stones was always hinted at.
    [11:09 AM] Keileon : Was it?
    [11:14 AM] Flem: Well I felt that way at any rate
    [11:14 AM] Flem: What with it being a mysterious rock God in a game where you get power from mysterious rocks

    [6:51 PM] Keileon : @Shadow Thoughts on the news?
    [6:52 PM] Shadow: I still have no idea what UltraSun/UltraMoon are supposed to be. Sequels? "third" version analogues? man
    [6:52 PM] Flem: "Alternate Stories" everyone keeps saying they were called in an interview
    [6:53 PM] Flem: Which I'm taking as "we don't know yet"
    [6:53 PM] Shadow: Closer to a third version analogue then
    [6:53 PM] Shadow: :thinking:
    [6:53 PM] Flem: Most likely
    [6:53 PM] Flem: That's probably the worst timeline though
    [6:53 PM] Shadow: Well if there's anything they can do to improve the experience, by all means. SuMo was quite the ride... easy as fuck but still a ride
    [6:54 PM] Flem: It was at least harder than XY
    [6:54 PM] Shadow: tru
    [6:55 PM] Flem: Which by the way, what the fuck, why didn't they get z/sequels/alternatestories

    [6:59 PM] Flem: Hopefully if nothing else this game will actually have the fucking mega stones
    [7:00 PM] Lord X-Giga-X: Yeah... This whole getting them via Serial Code thing is kinda dumb(edited)
    [7:02 PM] Flem: Battle frontier would also be nice but we go through this every fucking time
    [7:06 PM] Lord X-Giga-X: Most of these naturally make sense, as does the gyms thing if these are confirmed sequels
    [7:07 PM] Flem: Even if they are "alternate" Gyms might make sense
    [8:39 PM] Keileon : Yeah I definitely think I'm getting Ultra Sun this time
    [8:39 PM] Keileon : Partly because Lycanroc
    [8:39 PM] Keileon : Partly for variety
    [8:40 PM] Keileon : I mean I got Black and then White 2 but that was because I preferred Reshiram



    "Ultra is from the manga. It's a Z-Crystal plus a Mega STone." - someone from Rowlit server
  4. CoroCoro has started leaking, and you know what that means....

    A sweet 2 pages of the recently revealed Lycanroc Dusk Form!

    As previously discovered, this form comes with both Accelrock and Counter, and also has the ability Tough Claws. The pages also mention a Rockruff distribution starting from the release date of these games. While this isn't the clearest image in the world, Joe Merrick is fairly certain the section that mentions the distribution also mentions ルガルガンZ. So a Z-Crystal exclusive to Lycanroc....?

    Then again, it doesn't surprise me that they would do this. I mean think about it:
    XY: Torchic with Blaziken's Mega Stone
    ORAS: Shiny Beldum with Metagross's Mega Stone
    SM: Munchlax with Snorlax's exclusive Z-Crystal
    It makes sense for them to continue this trend.
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